Criss Cross: The NYU Gallatin Podcast is a forum to showcase the collaborative work done at Gallatin, hosted by KC Trommer. Our episodes include conversations between faculty, alumni, students, and staff about their interdisciplinary work.

“What’s thrilling about teaching, what’s exciting about teaching, and always satisfying about teaching, is that you are involved in people discovering their own intellectual and imaginative capacity. And it’s an incredible thing to witness.” –George Shulman

In our third episode, KC speaks with scholar and political theorist George Shulman about his teaching at Gallatin, the history of the School, the ways in which speech and political theory are forms of storytelling, as well as his teaching with the Prison Education Program, the enduring appeal of Moby Dick–and the dangers of the political moment we are living through.